Nick Clegg says introducing elections to the Lords will help the second chamber be less political. Er - really?
Plans to give voters the ability to recall MPs are not being introduced to give politics an "aggressive tool", Nick Clegg has told MPs.
Round and round in circles they went. Eventually the Lords reform debate will get so giddy with dizziness it will fall off the coalition's merry-go-round for good.
The coalition's plans for an elected second chamber are well underway - but can they be turned into reality?
It is, perhaps, the hardest reform of them all. Can Mark Harper succeed where so many before him have failed?
Lords reform was in manifesto, Mark Harper points out
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