Comment: Libertas isn't EU-sceptic

Tuesday, 10, Mar 2009 11:55

By Nigel Farage

Libertas launches in the UK this morning and it's going to be interesting to find out whether people understand the basic point about Declan Ganley. He's not against the European Union, far from it. He's very much a supporter of the project, just wishing to change very slightly the direction it's going in, that's all.

There's a rather bewildering assumption that because Declan campaigned so successfully for a No vote in the Irish referendum on the Lisbon Treaty that he's therefore against further integration, ever closer union and the rest of the federalist claptrap. We in UKIP stood alongside him in that campaign and thoroughly admire what he achieved. However, we're also very much aware that he's in favour of much of what makes up the European Project. It's really just the Lisbon Treaty he doesn't like.

Ganley starts from the same place that I do (and therefore his analysis, at this point, is obviously correct). The European Union is responsible for some 75 per cent of our laws, the aim of the grand project is to move power away from the people and place it firmly in the hands of a technocratic class of bureaucrats and there's very little or no democracy in the way that it functions. We both agree further that something about this needs to change. However, what it is that should change is where we diverge and this is where Declan and Libertas fall into error. Essentially, the same error the Conservative party has itself fallen prey to.

They both believe that, while the current situation is dire, matters can and will be improved by working from the inside, by attempting to change the direction of the juggernaut. Libertas is running on the idea that a few more elections, say an elected European Union president, will solve matters, that the voice of the people will be heard. The Tories seem to think that, well, it's difficult to know what the Tories actually intend to do about anything or, indeed, whether they would do anything if they themselves could make up their minds. We're still waiting for them to leave the EPP, something Cameron promised would happen in months, not years or weeks - that promise being what swung his election to the party leadership.

But however well-meaning this all is, however nice it would be to be able to believe that any of us could change the direction we're being moved in, this simply isn't possible. We're not being offered any choices on how the EU is going to work in the future, how it is going to develop. There are no opportunities to force or insist upon our own blueprints either. The parliament does not have the power to initiate legislation: that stays very firmly with the Commission. We are faced with only two choices. We accept the way the EU is, the way that decisions are made and the drive to creating a federal superstate. Or we reject that vision and decide to leave.

You'll recall that they didn't listen to the French or the Dutch in the referendums on the constitution. Also that they're not listening to the Irish on their referendum on the renamed and repacked constitution (now called the Lisbon treaty). They won't listen to calls for reform, for changes in direction, from inside the parliament either. The basic policy idea of both Libertas and the Tory party is flawed: they are arguing for negotiations with people who will not negotiate.

This is how we get to my and our position in UKIP. These changes that people desire are simply not possible while we remain within the Union. We have to leave and to cooperate where we wish and need to but for the rest of it simply become an independent and sovereign nation once again.

Nigel Farage is the leader of the UK Independence party (UKIP)

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  • "I think Libertas will be a one, no-hit wonder."

    Ted (London) Posted: 10/03/2009 17:40:58

  • "Just another wolf in sheep's clothing me thinks! only this one is a little more picky about the mEnU.... in that it only wants the bits with the most 'MEAT' and will toss the scraps to the rest of us......THANKS, BUT NO THANKS DECLAN. We get out! and then discuss the mEnU and the democratic way back to freedom for all . God Bless Britain "

    Molly Bennett (Southampton) Posted: 10/03/2009 18:26:11

  • "Nigel Farage is correct. Britain must leave the EU. It's that simple!"

    Peter Stewart (Eastleigh) Posted: 10/03/2009 19:15:45

  • "Yet another example of vintage Farage; clear-thinking, concise and altogether true. We need someone like him as PM, not the bland, politically correct alternatives."

    Peter Day (Cadnam, Southampton) Posted: 10/03/2009 19:54:48

  • "Right on, Nigel! Leaving the EU is the only solution. The penny has dropped with the Dutch. The current economic situation will seriously test the EU and its Euro currency."

    Shane B (Devon) Posted: 10/03/2009 21:38:53

  • "Given that Mr Farage has made a fat living out of the EU for the past ten years, and wants to stay in Brussels for another five despite achieving nothing so far, this sounds like the musings of a man who's afraid that his place at the feeding trough might be at risk!"

    Andrew Edwards (Bath, Somerset) Posted: 11/03/2009 07:41:05

  • "No surprise to me, either. I heard Ganley speak at his last press conference in Dublin last June and found him so Europhile I nearly stopped campaigning for him. Wolf in Sheep's clothing is right."

    Hugh Williams (United Kingdom) Posted: 11/03/2009 11:30:29

  • "Following on from Andrew Edwards comment I assume he is unaware that, unlike a lot of polititions, Nigel Farage was a successful business man earning MORE than he does now. This shows he is in it only because he believes in the cause of exposing the corrupt EU."

    Julian Murray (London) Posted: 11/03/2009 12:45:35

  • "Thank goodness I am not on my own in recognising that here is yet another person that wants the Eu to continue Governing this Country while we continue to vote for British MP's that cannot. I am not in UKIP, but you sure have my vote. "

    Anne Palmer (Wolverhampton. England) Posted: 11/03/2009 13:36:14

  • "Nigel Farage is absolutely correct that the U.K now faces making a big decision about the United States of Europe vision. I can't see how anyone that supports the principles of democracy can fully support the European Union as it stands. From my corner UKIP MEP's are the only voices that seem to telling us the truth about what is REALLY going on. That alone justifies their existance and sets them well apart from the others who are tell us nothing. All I can say to people is open your eyes or lose the country forever. Your children and their children will, and indeed should, never forgive you for sitting back and doing nothing! I wish more people would sit up,listen,and back UKIP for pointing out what the E.U is doing to us. "

    Roy Philpot (Norfolk) Posted: 11/03/2009 13:48:38

  • "Contrary to Mr Edwards' comment, I hope Nigel Farage and the other UKIP MEPs are thoroughly enjoying their journey on the EU gravy train. They should be thanked by all of us for reporting back all the waste, fraud, hypocrisy and total lack of democracy in the EU. If they didn't do it, we would never know the truth of the EU farce from either the Tory and LibDem MEPs or the BBC. Keep up the good work UKIP."

    Alex Erskine (Solihull) Posted: 11/03/2009 14:30:09

  • "Ganley messing with our minds again!Coming at us from all sides!!...UKIP is the only answer,We must be out of the EU. Keep at em Nigel. Geoff."

    Geoff Baxter (Pudsey , West Yorkshire) Posted: 11/03/2009 15:32:51

  • "The critical point will be when the Euro falls apart. At that point even the most crazy Europhiles will have to face change. It is crucial we support UKIP and get out at that point. I cannot believe anyone sane will support the Conservative/Libertas arguments for reform then."

    M Westrop (Birmingham) Posted: 11/03/2009 18:04:19

  • "I think Nigel (our leader) is right. I admire the Irish resistance, and was surprised but pleased at the French and the Dutch resistance. What worries me is the fact that the Brits have largely gone to sleep or lost interest in resistance. We seem to think fascism and socialist totalitarianism cannot resurrect itself. Let us not forget that the National Socialist German Workers Party (that's Nazi for short) was SOCIALIST. The USSR was the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics. Look what 70 of years of it did to them. The EU is another socialist pie in the sky scheme - with an anti-US flavour. We should be afraid, very afraid."

    Michael JR Jose (Walsall, UK) Posted: 11/03/2009 23:28:30

  • "UKIP MEP's are the only one's who want to lose their jobs, that shows courage, not like the rest of them on the 'gravy train' - yes Nigel is right, we must get out of the EU. We need candidates for the elctions so if you agree become a candidate. Vote UKIP"

    Jean Wisker (Isle of Thanet, Kent) Posted: 12/03/2009 08:20:43

  • "UKIP is consistently the only main part that respects the millions of deaths and injuries of British & allied servicemen over two World Wars that fought to protect British freedoms and the right of self governance. Shame on the hypocritical politicians that bow their heads at the Cenotaph while freely giving those hard-won freedoms away to foreign powers. The vast majority of UKIPers are rallied behind the elected leader, Nigel and his officers, focussed on the fight to exit the EU. Those that make negative comments, eg. Mr Edwards, should guard against petty personal dislikes and concentrate on the overall vision of exiting the EU."

    Tony Smith (E Sussex) Posted: 12/03/2009 11:39:05

  • "Come on UKIPers, surely we should be gracious enough and honest enough to recognise that UKIP is NOT the only party working to exit the EU. No party is more patriotic and dedicated than the the one running the Battle of Britain Tour with its 1940s theme.The pride it showed in our England had me in tears with its sincerity. The only reason it is not considered one of the 'main' parties is that it is being consistently blacklisted, snubbed, maligned by all media which has a tiger by the tail and simply dare not let go because it speaks a truth that frightens those presently in control. "

    Meg Stevens (East Sussex) Posted: 12/03/2009 15:56:44

  • "If you believe in Great Britain Ukip is the only party that shares the hopes and ideals of true Britons.We have the support of the commonwealth and the last thing we need is the E.U.dictating what our elected members of parliament should be doing.Roll on June 4th."

    David Haresign (Andover) Posted: 12/03/2009 20:49:10

  • "If the Euro collapses, before Britain is out of the EU, then Britain will be toast, so the UK needs to get out sharpish. I think the UKIP are a well intentioned, but are an ineffective irritation in the EU, and mostly useless in the UK, they have achieve little or nothing, in practical terms, and look to continue this folly, so I ended my membership. My money is now on the BNP, they at least have understand the greater scale of the problems, and the urgency to fix them, and are defeating the UKIP in local elections."

    Fred Up (Bucks) Posted: 18/03/2009 05:15:58

  • "I'm afraid that Tony Smith (E Sussex) is very much mistaken. The BNP up and down the country have done very much for war widows and ex-servicemen, probably more than any other party. You should withdraw your absurd comment Mr Smith. UKIP have climbed into bed with the EU and have absolutely no intention of leaving it. Mr Edwards's comments are totally correct and Farage, my friends, cannot and must not be trusted. I too used to be in UKIP until I saw which way the wind was blowing! Don't be fooled people by his photo which has to be about 40 years out of date! EUKIP simply loves the EU and it is the real supporters of EUKIP I feel sorry for."

    Nick Chance (worcester) Posted: 25/03/2009 11:53:12

  • "Libertas = divide and conquer strategy for the Euro-power elite. "

    Nick (Washington, D.C.) Posted: 09/04/2009 03:57:17

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