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Tuesday, 17, Mar 2009 12:00

By Ian Dunt

The proposal by the chief medical officer yesterday that alcohol units be given a minimum price was instantly shot down by the government.

But don't be fooled. Its reaction was motivated by a trio of factors which came together to make the suggestion politically impossible; recession, an upcoming election and the peculiar but rather amiable British dispensation to treat drinking as a type of sport.

Gordon Brown's argument, it hardly needs saying, failed to mention any of this reasoning. Instead, he said it was unfair to penalise the "sensible" majority in an effort to clamp down on the binge-drinking minority. But the government does precisely that every year when it draws up the Budget. Every year, without fail, the price of alcohol and tobacco goes up.

This is an entirely understandable phenomenon. Most people would rather the price went up on unnecessary, unhealthy products, rather than vegetables or baby food. But quite apart from the Budget, this government has become wedded to social engineering. And its approach has far exceeded this type of tinkering.

The smoking ban is the most obvious example. It is now considered a popular piece of legislation. When Sir Liam Donaldson made his alcohol proposals yesterday, he mentioned it as if it were some sort of high watermark for public health. Perhaps it is, but it is also a gross affront to the freedoms of the people of Britain.

Let us leave the argument about that core proposal to one side for a moment, and concentrate instead on a debate which took place immediately after the ban was voted through. This debate centred on whether private members clubs should be allowed to have smoking inside them. Publicans and club owners were hoping to sign up customers as a member for a nominal fee – say £1 – and have them sign an agreement on the door that, as a member, they did not mind smoke in the premises.

The Commons voted the proposal down, and many working men's clubs around the country are feeling the impact of that vote today. The communities around them feel it too.

This vote demonstrated quite how deep the government's contempt for the notion of individual choice went. Personal preference was an irrelevance. British adults needed to be told how to behave.

The thinking is evident across a host of policy areas. Ken Livingstone wanted to put the congestion charge up on vehicles which polluted more, although the new mayor brought an end to that. Earlier this year, the government implemented a ban on extreme pornography. It did not matter that the people featured in the pornography had consented to appear in it, nor that those who watched it voluntarily chose to do so. The government decided what was right.

When the home secretary recently pushed to make it illegal for people to use prostitutes under someone else's control, she knew she was outlawing the vast majority of sex trade transactions – estimated at around 80 per cent. I called the International Union of Sex Workers (IUSW), based in London, for their opinion. They had not even been invited to the consultation. An activist for the group wrote a comment piece for politics.co.uk explaining how so-called feminists in government considered women who chose (some of them do chose this occupation) to become sex workers as vulnerable victims who could not possibly have reached this decision from their own thought-process.

The thread which runs through these various examples is simple: a fundamental lack of respect for the idea that people should be able to chose what they do with their bodies. In the case of health, it follows from an assumption that the government best understands health outcomes. In social issues such as prostitution or pornography, it follows from the idea that government best understands moral outcomes.

It understands neither.

The government has begun to treat the British public as a collection of individual units which must be managed appropriately to ensure their productivity and longevity. It learnt its first rule from John Nash's game theory. Mr Nash, by the way, is the bloke played by Russell Crowe in A Beautiful Mind. Policy wonks and free-market fanatics extrapolated from this economic theory to welfare provision, imagining that the NHS and education could function across the same lines. You've only got to look at the prevalence of management-speak in the public services to see how entrenched this thinking has become.

Health, as it happens, can benefit somewhat from this approach.

Education really can't, it's a far more complicated process than even the most advanced input-output formula can explain. This view has now been expanded to encompass the vast majority of domestic policy-making. The British public are merely economic and social units to be incentivised appropriately so they behave in the correct manner.

Most people don't know what's best for them. They place small, short-term gains over long-term benefits. They opt for a moment's sensual pleasure over an increased lifespan. Some of them watch forms of pornography which would make the man in the street distinctly uneasy. Some of them choose to participate in these movies, for money or even for fun.

But if people don't know what's best for them, governments also misunderstand their purpose. They are not moral arbiters. They are tasked with serving the people, not forcing a world view on them. The chief medical officer's demands are just the latest example of this attitude permeating the popular culture.

As the artist David Hockney so ably explained: "Smoking calms me down. It's enjoyable. I don't want politicians deciding what is exciting in my life."

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  • "There is a point to argument put forward here, but using the smoking issue is fatally flawed. That argument wholly fails on one single point - smoking is not contained to the person doing it, and because it's an aggressively unhealthy activity, the smoking ban was very much overdue. As for excessive drinking, it seems there is no consideration of the costs of treating other people's optional behaviour. Drink yourself to death if you wish; just don't epxect the NHS, i.e. us, to pay for it."

    Phil (Newcastle) Posted: 17/03/2009 12:37:13

  • "Brilliant article, Ian. And Phil, I think you missed the point, luv."

    Dick Puddlecote (The Ninth Circle) Posted: 17/03/2009 17:46:11

  • "I couldn't agree more with this article! I am fed up with the governments attempts at nannying and social engineering. The smoking ban is any excellent example, based on no statistically significant evidence of any harm, 25% of the population are banned from smoking in enclosed public places. It's no wonder smoking rates have increased since the ban...people get p*ssed of with being told what to do..."

    John (Bradford) Posted: 17/03/2009 18:13:18

  • "Good work. It's a shame that Phil did miss the point by such a massive margin. To extrapolate his thinking no-one injured in any form of sporting activity ought to be treated as it most certainly falls under the category of "optional behaviour". Perhaps we also ought to hold an investigation before offering treatment to those injured in accidents, after all, it could be that they were the negligent party? Best check first before we call that ambulance, eh? I am also curious as to who this "us" actually is that owns the NHS, because people who believe they have a right to deny treatment always seem to use that term whereas it doesn't sound very inclusive to me. And for the record, I don't know anyone who smokes aggressively. In fact, I don't even know how to smoke aggressively. I feel that I'm missing out on something now.."

    BTS (Surrey) Posted: 17/03/2009 20:42:27

  • "Excellent article, many good points made. By the time the British wake up it will be too late, they will be living in a nazi state and too brain washed to have any free thought. What a shame, my Father fought in two wars to prevent this. I am ashamed of this parasite government and all that it stands for. Phil, I assume fom your rather blinkered comments that you have no car or central heating and that you live in a cotton wool cocoon where you can do no harm to others. GOOD, it's where you should be!!"

    marley (a green and unpleasant land) Posted: 17/03/2009 21:49:13

  • "I think it is a good idea to put up the price of booze because it is only by getting drunk that we deaden the pain of being in this country under this New Labour Goverment.Only when we come out of this coma ,will we get our act together and get shot of these useless lying corrupt thickos and get back to normal,but I can see them getting back next tme. We are all ga ga now,gluttons for punishment."

    ancient briton (northampton) Posted: 17/03/2009 22:31:41

  • "Phil, You are narrow thinking. The smoking 'issue' was never about smoking. It was about control. Try it out with a few million smokers and if successful start on the drinkers and then the fatties. How long before it is not acceptable to have brown eyes !! Get the point."

    Barbara Wilson (London) Posted: 17/03/2009 23:47:47

  • "Excellent article.The Government will not be happy until they control every aspect of our lives and there is no consideration, by them, of the cost to the taxpayer who is paying them to do so. The smoking ban, in it's present form, is the most spiteful ban ever imposed and it's costing this country dearly. Politicians are obviously quite happy with the fact that their kids & grandchildren will be living in the sort of world that George Orwell described. "

    sandra (Kent) Posted: 18/03/2009 01:17:43

  • "I see there are lots of smokers on here who (presumably intentionally) forget the idea of containing the results of one's activities to themselves being the basis for individual responsibility and liberty. Gassing the rest of us doesn’t fall into that category. The idea of individuals taking care of their own circumstances is fine until it starts inmpacting disproportionately on others, and smoking is an excellent example – so much so that most of the population fully support it. Smokers usually don’t but that’s not exactly a surprise. Their logic says it's OK to sit in my local blasting out loud noises on the basis that deafness among friends is OK compared to cancer. BTS - some help for you... the sporting activity example is frivolous, although amusing in it’s flawed 'logic'; and 'aggressive' refers to the effects of the smoke and poisonous gases not the manner of producing it. "

    Phil (Newcastle) Posted: 18/03/2009 12:38:49

  • "Phil: Over-emotive and exaggerative language, conflation of irrelevances, deliberate ignorance of reasonable compromise, and dismissal of opinions based on personal prejudice still doesn't hide the fact that you missed the point of the article, precious. ;-)"

    Dick Puddlecote (The Ninth Circle) Posted: 18/03/2009 19:08:16

  • "Phil, in your bigotry you failed to answer my question, or are you so superior that you do not need to?"

    marley (a green and unpleasant land) Posted: 18/03/2009 20:35:06

  • "You won't let me comment on this article!! I just wrote a lengthy post and you lost it!"

    Jo (Essex) Posted: 18/03/2009 22:11:12

  • "There hasn't been a smoking ban. It is still legal to smoke, as long as you don't do it in confined public places where others have to breathe in the poisonous gases, that's all."

    Catchillum (Cheshire) Posted: 19/03/2009 10:44:23

  • "Marley - you didn't ask a question, and the use of the word 'bigotry' – with no foundation indicates your true colours. None of the language on here from anti-ban posters has been measured or balanced. In fact, if anything, the approach of doing what you please despite it having a serious negative impact on others could properly be called bigotry, so ‘physician heal thyself’ old chap. Oh, and for your information, if you read your own post you will find that you didn't ask a question, either in the text, or by the use of a question mark (the accepted symbol for such things, and not present in your post). None of the pro-smoking posters have addressed the central issue of doing something that affects others to a disproportionate degree, and it's obvious why - because there is no case for it any society worth the name. That's what laws are for. The whole issue hangs on the word ‘reasonable’, as does our whole system of legislation and way of life; in the case of smoking, it’s not considered reasonable to expose people to poisons by your own activity to an unreasonable degree. That is considered to happen inside enclosed spaces, but not outside – where you can continue to smoke if you wish. That you all rant about other issues and attack me with irrelevant rhetoric is classic diversionary bluster and makes it crystal clear you actually know you are wrong – so thanks for it!"

    Phil (Newcastle) Posted: 20/03/2009 12:51:31

  • "If there was such a huge call for smoke free pubs then someone would have set up a chain and offered it as an alternative venue for drinking. Let the market decide worked well in the past, in this situation it would have worked perfectly. If we have a good summer the pubs will have a half decent few months, if the summers lousy again the pubs will have a very poor year and more will have to close. The smoking ban will make us healthier eventually- there will be no pubs left!"

    Mike (Kent) Posted: 20/03/2009 13:58:11

  • "Phil, 'reasonable' would have allowed for the private members clubs amendment, would it have not? While I respect your desire not to breath smoke, I do not think it is reasonable that I am banned from sitting in the warm if I do so, even though most places of work had established separate places of those of us who enjoy the 'coffin nails' to indulge our habits. I'm sure many public houses could have come to the same accomodation... so I feel your argument falls a little flat, there, yes? Now, as far as health care costs are concerned, I'm sure you've heard all the news reports about the dementia epidemic that's supposed to be inbound. I read an interesting statistic recently ( It was on the independent's website, if memory serves ), that 5% of the population develop one of these conditions by age 65 and 20% by age 80. Which do you think costs more, a couple of years of cancer treatment or a good number of years of residential care? I mean honestly, Phil, you're being called a bigot because your using simplistic arguments that have been trotted out in the press, over and over, as justification for forcing your views on others, apparently.. so.. perhaps you'd like to re-read the article? "

    Andi (Merseyside) Posted: 25/03/2009 07:54:41

  • "'....governments also misunderstand their purpose. They are not moral arbiters. They are tasked with serving the people, not forcing a world view on them.' Brilliant point. The Government seems to be leaning more towards a dictatory state. I think the government needs to be reminded of democracy and if we were to let this law pass then what will follow?.."

    OC (London) Posted: 01/04/2009 23:12:24

  • "I well remember before the last General Election, Blair had put in the labour party manifesto "that Pubs etc. would have a choice to be either smoking or non-smoking". (and a few other thing's as well.) After he had won the Election this manifesto promise was dropped. However, I blame the House of Lords for allowing this bill to pass.Is it not the case that Bills that are included in a Manifesto are passed without scrutiny and all Bills not included in a Manifesto are subject to debate and eventually voted on. I think we have reached the point where an Election Manifesto commitment, if broken, should see the the particular Party with a case to answer in Court. "

    david irvine (fort william) Posted: 04/07/2009 22:13:09

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